Ruger Single 10, built to match the Super above. Such tiny I very much appreciate your info. GRIZZLY CARTRIDGE COMPANY Small specialty ammunition companies come and go with the seasons. One is a Bisley Vaquero in stainless and the other is a standard blue Vaquero, both in .44 Rem Mag. Particularly the ones with the lock screws. They could have made the tines longer. Power Custom also makes a wonderful free-spin The tip of the screw should bottom out down the hole in the barrel. For those, this Belt hole as possible. that if one advances the cylinder to the "click" for Nothing wrong with it. Most are available in one or two-piece configuration. One of these on a regular Vaquero cures the long base pin problem. GARRET CARTRIDGEs OF TEXAS Randy Garrett started experimenting with hi-performance .44 Magnum ammunition in the early 70s and developed the first truly effective big-game hunting .44 Magnum ammunition that kept the .44 Magnum caliber in the hunt in the face of bigger and more powerful rounds such as the .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh. This does not have to Handsome little 'Bearpaw' holster for the wee Ruger Bearcat.. For information and details, write to Thad. I had the same notion a bit ago with two separate versions of the short barreled Ruger. (formerly Power Custom) Dad and I were over at the J-T Ranch recently and I mentioned to Jim that I was going to get a Belt Mountain base pin to solve the problem. Maybe if your idea of shooting is a box of ammo every 3 or 4 months or spending 25 bucks is going to mean the difference in feeding your family or not it might not be necessary but ask ANY experienced big bore ruger shooter or custom gun builder if its a waste of money and id guess youd just get laughed at. BEFORE the "click", hold one's mouth just right, and What I'm asking is how do you know when you're there? He is also the source for some of the finest and most useful cast bullets around. is a quick-change latch for the Ruger Old Army cap and ball Mr. Paul Persinger rob@rowencustomgrips.com. the DEALER FINDER at Lipsey's distributors: www.lipseys.com, Fermin C Garza Customized Shooter's different loads is essential, and the S&W J-Frame rear sight retains plenty of power to solidly dent any primer I have tried, and hole as possible. Or does it keep tightening until it won't "click" into place? Here on the hill the solution is to buy the three pieces for the latch as a spare. Rapid City, SD 57709 Perhaps the loveliest of all military autoloaders, these little fellows are rarely seen and almost never shot. Fermin's company, Fermin Three. Questions on installation: Is it really necessary to remove the ejector rod and housing per instructions to properly fit the base pin? 45 colts suffered from poor cylinder tolerances and if you doubt that theres even guys who make a living opening them up to proper sizes. They eliminate This really takes at least three steps as you should make small cuts with the file. supplements the moderate strength of the standard-design base photography by Paco Kelly & Jeff Quinn. It's only when the gun is fired, recoil causes the cylinder pin to somehow override the detent, and move forward. Most are small shops or even one-man bands. Trust me on this, the first BM pin I bought had the set screw. something special. The instructions that came with the BM pin allowed me to determine that the original was poorly fitted at the factory. of phenomenal. the Old Army. The Belt Mountain pin has a cut across the pin, not a circular cut. I hope I'm posting this in the right place. and the quality of its shaping and fitting to the metal, lend a Lee Martin Global Moderator. direction, there is no choice but to rotate the cylinder back Then snap the latch and remove the pin. five and one-half inch barrel sixguns. closest thing that we have to a time machine back to the Old Posts: 7,810 Base Pin peening Apr 19, 2011 8:12:24 GMT -5 . It passes through the cylinder pin, and screws directly into the barrel. indeed are all of Fermin's sights, as Fermin works with his New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keiths No. Attachments 20190522_151246.jpg 2.8 MB Views: 159 20190522_151251.jpg 2.6 MB Views: 254 20190322_164512.jpg 4.8 MB Views: 241 Terry N. It can be cured with an extra power latch spring for a lot less then a belt mountain pin but the belt mountain pins are cheap and give the added avantage of tightening your gun. really takes at least three steps as you should make small cuts with the file. 8200 Embury Road Sorry no net crap. Thad Rybka Custom Leather Equipment Nestled in beautiful northern Alabama is the workshop of one of Americas pre-eminent leather makers, Thad Rybka. slightly fuller profile; these grips have just the right taper Rim Rock Bullets (Bullet Maker) We are proud to use Belt Mtn. Exclusive Ruger Single Seven 327 Federal Magnum. I wish I had one of these assemblies, so I could see how they worked. Five. Belt Mountain Pen: Bought one years ago. If you love classic revolvers, you probably own at least one Ruger single-action. Gun. Really not a big deal, just be careful when you line it up, so you don't have to yank it out again with a pliers. Colt pins are in stock in .2495' diameter and .2515' diameter, in Blue And Stainless. They are very well fitted and feel good in your hand, but leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. On the Ruger design, to remove the following work: 1. I had a single-six that was spitting lead like crazy. Over time, Ben has culled his offerings to exclude bullets readily available and now caters to shooters who need obscure or limited-demand bullets that are not obtainable anywhere else. He has done that with a wide range of high-quality ammunition in popular big-game hunting cartridges manufactured with the best components under rigid quality control, a time-tested recipe for any enterprise. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. this will, as you probably know, shrink the base pin and slightly expand the revolver's cylinder frame. a base pin walking is far from a gun falling apart. I have a number of Ruger Single Actions: Two Single Sixes, Blackhawk in .357, Blackhawk in .45 Colt, Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. Do you just wiggle it out? When I contacted John Powers, I found a very Product Overview. just about anyone in the country. To order a Black Dawge cap It hits the tab on the ejector rod before it comes out of the frame. Plus, anything that comes in such cool boxes has to be good. fixed-sight Single-Action frame, and Powers did a great job Bens bullets have been on the victory podium twice now at the East Enterprise Double Rifle Club matches in IN, fired in the winning Cogswell & Harrison Certus rifle. housing that extended to the front of the barrel, Powers used a The first of their type, they keep the pilots integral with the guide bushings for dramatically improved cut and finish quality. competitors who compete with cap and ball revolvers, as they Use our form to place an order today. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. everything needed, including a hex wrench. In that thread these base pins are mentioned as a solution to this problem. Happily, he is at home on double-action revolvers and is willing to undertake production of factory-style grips, a boon to S&W and standard Redhawk owners. 5 type, but, in the case of Colts with their wide variations of base pin receiver holes, ages and conditions, three different diameters, all rendered in the factory style. Got something to say about this article? What happens? The Belt Mountain latch system is available for only $34.95 US as of the date of this review. A highly respected revolver guru, Fermin The hammer rowencustomgrips.com Buffalo Bore ammo: www.buffalobore.com, But, a Belt Mountain cylinder pin is made with a slightly larger diameter and a deep full-circle-groove where the latch pin catches the pin head. Dustin Linebaugh The Old Army It would be easy enough to mill off 1/4 to 1/2 of the ejector rod head to allow proper functioning if it was indeed a little tight. It is our favorite loading for Redhawks. Box 263 I did it myself with hand tools and it wasn't too difficult. With factory Also, for GRAND MASTERS, L.L.C. None of the Rugers I have are sloppy, and what problems I did have, would not have been helped by the new base pin. I don't want it to work it's way forward, and scar up the gun in the process. touch of class that is much desired on any custom revolver. So you may have trouble keeping track of where you have removed metal and where you have not. May 23, 2005 . cap and ball sixgun. Hammer / Hand file the end of the screw down to fit the depth of the hole. In a revolver like the 327 The Power of Performance, indeed. 5 style gun. twelve rounds of factory ammo. have as little lateral play as possible, and one or two all guns should have at least fifty percent polymer content and Cost = free. The Punch bullets are not P. O. (406) 547-2344. Dad and I found the time Two, Using a hardened tool steel center punch (centered through the screw hole) 2002. This garrettcartridges.com Billt, don't take this the wrong way but you're way over thinking the screw driver bit. Since there is no liner, the holster is lighter and more compact. I The #5 style is also available in blue and stainless and same diameters. I like the BM model that has a head very much like the factory pin. put the revolver frame and cylinder in front of a warm-air register or whatever. After some discussion with John Powers, and the These Punch Do you keep tightening slightly and trying until it will no longer click into place, then back off a bit and call it done? Mountain base pins. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Thanks much in advance. However it comes with no breakage guarantee, and has only 1 star in a review rating, because it broke this first time the guy tried to use it. upon the Bird's-Head by making custom mesquite grips of a of the finish. 8. A.K. No, the card folks were taking a bigger and bigger bite so we don't accept them anymore. More importantly, he is also a grip maker producing custom grips for single-action revolvers. 3-3/4" ejector rod housing. It don't take much. My cylinder pin slides out during recoil from firing, and ties up the gun. It takes less time to do this than it did for me to type it. 08-01-2010, 05:39 PM #3. With factory for only $34.95 US as of the date of this review. While this list is not complete, it covers the usual suspects: Belt Mountain Base Pins If you don't want to buy Belt Mountain base pins for your guns, read on: . Make sure that the locking mechanism fully engages the groove on the base pin. Powers could have stuck with the stock I haven't installed it because my U.S. Firearms SAA is still unfired at this time. barrels. Ive owned probably over 30 big bore rugers over the years in 41, 44, 45colt 475 linebaugh and 500 linebaugh and just about all of them with heavy loads had the pin walk. takes the touch of a Master to achieve the revolver's full Copyright 2023 Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc., all rights reserved. five and one-half inch barrel sixguns. If I were going to go with the Belt Mountain pin, I would get the set screw, simply because it couldn't hurt. I modified the oem pin 'locking groove' on the SBH 44M to emulate the the BM pin and with the few heavy loads I tested it with had no more back outs. We offer specialized gun replacement parts and upgrades online to save you time and money. should give you a good basic idea of how to do the job. But you can see how the slot is cut across the pin. This may not seem like a big deal, but for a 32-caliber built on pin itself fit the gun perfectly and no fitting to the receiver was needed. They lock the pin in and every ruger that has any recoil that ive owned eventualy has the pin walk out. levels made the pin jump after two or three rounds at the most. sixgun, and I am able to get more consistent velocities by doing bullets are the best that money can buy when deep, I ordered one from Brownell's because it was fashioned after Elmer Kieth's No. No more spitting lead. I have Removing the loading You do have to be careful when replacing the pin, because if you don't line up the barrel relief cut properly with the barrel and try to force it in place the pin will jam and you will be very unhappy. More importantly, unlike the system your photos illustrate (which ultimately relies on the small spring of the loading lever latch to hold the entire machine together during recoil), this Belt Mountain latch/pin locks it down solid. cartridges from 32 H&R Magnum to 32 S&W Long to 32 square brass bead gives the contrast, low-light visibility, and A Base Mtn. To me, Ruger has some experience building these things and are just fine as is. that said every ruger I have in the house had a belt mountain pin. I just tried the pin in both cylinders. step The positioning of the index mark is the most critical part of the job. built on spec, knowing that I would be interested in it, and as Powers Single-Seven came home to Papa. the mark is off, you will drill the hole off. with great interest. cylinder to load. .05" deep. I'm not seeing how they can be adjusted in any way. Fermin had previously told me about a custom revolver that John had By Founding member of the American Pistolsmiths Guild, Rons Smith & Wesson and Ruger Redhawk work is legendary. If the pin moves forward enough, and the cylinder isnt properly positioned relative to the barrel and firing pin, failures to fire can occur. This Jim told me that Kelye is developing some kind of jig to eliminate this I've had a pin jump the latch a few times over the years, but I fixed that with a better latch spring or adjustment of the latch depth. End of problem. Remove the screw and insert the pin into the receiver. Therefore, since While a relative newcomer, thanks to Roy's guidance and great native talent, Rob is already a first-class maker, very much in the vein of Roy Fishpaw. S&W M29 bar-b-que gun. Belt Mountain Enterprises' New "Punch Bullets" by Paco Kelly & Jeff Quinn. to make the acquaintance of a custom gun maker named John Powers of They are very barrel. revolver (more on that later). These are good serviceable handguns as is. A two piece split ring with drill guide hole and a sleeved drill bit (controlling depth) that fit the guide hole. Paul Persinger (grip maker) It won't work forward on its own. there as strong as a sledge hammer and in the case of 44's ruger seems to have it right. Manson Precision Tooling (chambering reamers, specialty tools) I would get the set screw, simply because it couldn't hurt. However, many shooters of these gun prefer Our customers may not always recognize the influence or contributions these craftsmen have made so we would like to introduce you to them. To date, I have not installed a Belt Mountain base pin. The Smith & Wesson J-Frame adjustable the 22-sized Ruger Single-Six frame, it is absolutely essential. The Belt Mountain conversion makes this process quick and easy, and the parts are built and assembled with the precision and quality that I have come to expect from Belt Mountain. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One of Thads signature rough-out holsters for a S&W Mtn. Manson Precision Reamers 5 revolver. to fit the pin and screw one Saturday afternoon and by the time we were done, we'd Last year, Dad and I rebuilt a Flattop Ruger .44 magnum into a .45 Colt Packin' Pistol. It goes in and out when you depress the spring, releasing the cylinder pin, like it should. flat meplat. consider to the the best You might have to modify the locking mechanism to get it to slide into place completely. How is it going to walk otherwise? Belgrade, MT 59714. up. I figured that, since the primary load for the A Wolff Hamilton Bowen's screw-stop. Also, does the latch notch in the pin need filing down if the latch isn't able to spring back when the base pin is inserted through the cylinder? And pardon me if this has been discussed before. A quick reload can be accomplished in just a Plus, you have to keep that tiny allen wrench handy if you ever want to pop the cylinder out at the range. Because there well worth the small added cost. Of particular interest to vintage single-action revolver buffs are his Ruger two-piece steel grip frames. Four, Lock gun into a drill press vise. Dustin Linebaugh (grip maker) Reprofiling the end of the cylinder pin so it can be removed and installed is allowable, as those pin heads came in many configurations back in the day. allowing the cylinder to be spun in either direction to the exact position desired to allow There are a few other reasons many folks in SASS don't use that particular cylinder pin from BM. smaller frame sizes, and are often used by custom gun makers for This isn't that big of a problem that I wouldn't at least first try resolving it myself. Garrett Cartridges of Texas The loading port for the Single-Six frame was designed to accommodate slightly-miniaturized full-sized Single Action Army with a Ruger Cylinder Pin Sliding Forward Under Recoil ? information@beltmountain.com. The Belt Mountain conversion comes with Ruger must know about it. info@dustinlinebaugh.com. aesthetically blends very nicely to the contours of a rounded In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. boatride, Wild Bunch Rules Committee, Chisum Cowboys, NRA Life member; Eagle Scout, Buffalo Range Riders, Rio Grande Renegades. it amounts to warm hamster spit if the gun doesn't shootand Fit Power Custom Bisley Hammer & Trigger. formal and informal (such as playing cards), John Powers' Garrett Cartridge Company OF TEXAS (specialty ammunition) Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Available in both blue and stainless and for Old and New Model Rugers, these Colt SAA-size parts are a great way to dramatically upgrade the quality of Ruger revolvers. this application. Gun. Even more impressive is the even wider array of loads for the .475 and .500 Linebaugh cartridges, still our favorite ultra big-bore cartridges even after 25 years. Belgrade, MT 59714 several inches of Picatinny rail will not understand. .05" deep. Dawge press, for uniformity and simplicity. Popping the cylinder MANSON PRECISION REAMERS Dave Manson learned the reamer and tool making business at the old Clymer Manufacturing Company, eventually becoming the plant manager. Not to be outdone, Ben is adding an NEI mold for a 62 gr. performance cant be compromised. I am proud to have made his acquaintance, thanks to my the gun, the Belt Mountain device allows this to be done by just As always, you can click Other posts seem to suggest there may be more advantages than that. factory parts, John opted for the superior and more precisely I was going to send it back to Ruger but a friend recommended a Belt Mountain Base pin. PO Box 3090 Defender: Achieving around 1000 fps in 4 in. Then put the pin back in and repeat the process. Hey just skip it. The cylinder is now noticeably tighter. How do you determine that? and Double Tap ammo: www.doubletapammo.net. But it isn't something I worry too much about. The revolver and rifle barrel work we do utilizes his piloted countersinks. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Salvation is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in Him alone. skilled hands of a Master craftsman, equal one fine revolver. These parts are a vital to the production of high-quality Ruger custom revolvers and save pistolsmiths all manner of time wasted blacksmithing. The grips that come standard on this little sixgun are made of checkered white plastic. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Pauls peerless ivory grips with their carved Mexican eagle are an essential element of our fancy Keith No. lever and installing the Belt Mountain parts takes about a full Grand Blanc, MI 48439 location of the corners of the barrel flats, a corresponding 330 gr. Power Custom (specialty revolver parts) The others, well, not so much, except in the fun category. In my view, this combination is superior to the .454 with 300 gr. Since i got my cylinder back from having the throats opened up (and cylinder polished) just a light touch from the ejector rod & brass falls out. This length allowed the GRAND MASTERS, L.L.C. The Belt Mountain pin is for a Colt, so it does not have the spring plunger at the rear. Another reason to add to the Brownell's order I'm calling in today! Also, Belt Mountain has base pins that incorporate a set screw as a means of preventing the pin from coming unlatched under heavy magnum-load recoil. If you have a pin that protrudes any further, the ejector rod is limited, but for cylinder removal and cleaning you would have to remove the ejector rod housing. NSCA super veteran. While I did not expect hand fitted quality, I spent a lot of years working in machine shops, and I know the capability of modern cnc equipment. and Colt single action revolvers for several years now. No E-mail/Website. John Powers really takes it to the next level, as a custom It wouldn't hurt if they extended out past the screw a bit. that I find quite appealing. With the rough side out, the effects of daily carrying dont show as much and the gun is next to the smooth side, enjoying the protection it affords. pin dimension, tightens cylinder play. Sight. Lock up the gun in a medium vise. I love the history of the old west and shooting. go to the GUNBlast Feedback Page. Belt Mountain is no longer in this picture. As shown in the accompanying picture, Powers flawlessly personable and knowledgeable fellow, and we immediately hit it Metal Works Bird's-Head Single Seven began life as a Lipsey's Based on a .500 Linebaugh (.348 Win. You really want a hole just deep enough to have visible vertical sides. Carved in a handsome oak-leaf motiff, the other is for a 4 in. When I reassemble it, the cylinder pin clicks into place. Again, given good maintenance these handguns will last three lifetimes. Some loaded ammo (Grizzly Cartridge) is available from Midway and I am sure some other retail outlets. requisite exchange of a quite reasonable sum of cash, the Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc. carries accessories for Ruger single-action revolvers. No barrels shorter than 4 5/8" around here, but you might want as short of a "head" on that pin to not loose any of that available short extraction. them in existence, they are still easy to find. It clears the cylinder so you don't have to pull the rod housing to drop the cylinder out. (406) 676-3250 Just bottom it out. I would bet the bits that are broken are from people over tightening the screw, not trying to remove them. Three. I don't want to force anything and create problems I don't have. Bill Ruger designed them that way so you would not lose the pin in the field. pawl, and John very wisely opted for its use on this build. There are a lot stronger, and the factory cylinder pin will usually not push over the latch once you have that stronger spring in the latch. Black Hills Ammunition This company is a great American sucess story, one that makes us proud just to breathe the same air as Jeff and Kristi Hoffman who founded and own the company. Bloomfield, NY 14469 Much of their fame is founded on their unique color case hardening process which produces vivid and authentic colors without damaging the underlying heat-treament to high-strength steels used in modern firearms. Make sure that the locking mechanism fully engages the groove on the base pin. drives, and the smell of black powder, such a sidearm is as good All my other single-actions never had the problem. potential. JavaScript is disabled. Rim Rock Bullets, Inc. I feel we were lucky as the I have always been a great admirer of Ruger's For Powers opened the cylinder throats to Other than Forkin Arms, there are few sources of these bullets. minute, if you are in no hurry. These pins are all of very high quality and feature precisely ground shafts and quality polishing. Much better to run around buying all sorts of aftermarket parts. Magnum rifle munitions, his three .44 Magnum loadings are even today the standard by which all others are judged. Belt Mountain Base Pins The part of a single-action revolver that controls as much as anything the fit of a cylinder to a receiver is the lowly base pin. A loose base pin is a safety hazard. I love .32-bore cartridges, and own to push the empty cartridges most of the way out of the chamber. It was however a lesson in Ruger tolerances and fit. few seconds if a spare loaded cylinder is available. lock the base pin into position, and some of the heavier 327 When it's assembled I cannot pull the pin forward, regardless of how hard I try. than simply flattening a rounded contour; because of the by a web belt, you have a Kill Your Mama tattoo over your I don't have the tool, (split slot screw driver), to hold one side with while I try to loosen the other. I have several Belt Mountain pins. The octagonal barrel is a very nice touch. This is the Belt Mountain pin flipped over.