And then kind of pushed me in. "We have the same musical pulse we always had," says Campbell of hitting the road with his old Tom Petty bandmate after decades of estrangement. Sojust pick a time. Among his more pointed criticisms concern the song Stop Draggin My Heart Around, which Petty did with Stevie Nicks. Rumble Doll, Jun 12, 2015. When somebody's on a bender you don't yell at 'em. Stan Lynch is really an overlooked player in rock. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame drummer-turned-successful songwriter/producer (for Don Henley, The Eagles, The Mavericks, Ringo Starr, and Tim McGraw, among others) and tree farmer (a gig he describes as part Zen, part holding on for dear life, and not unlike playing with Bob Dylan) is an opinionated, intelligent guy who doesnt mince words or sugarcoat memories. They preferred the punkier numbers, like Even the Losers and Refugee, to the Byrds-ier T.P. Occupation. [laughter] I mean, I know that. Drummer Talk 273 So you want to MD! So you spend so much energy worrying about itif I knew at 20 that, hell, I was gonna be okay, and be sitting in front of the fire at 45God, I could have saved myself so many gray hairs and brain blowouts, you know! So I think that if you're flat, if you've hit a point where you just don't know where the hell to turn, that's usually somebody's way of saying, "Man, you need a bro.". Receive updates & special offers from Modern Drummer and our advertising partners. When he released that safety valve out. Last week, Stan Lynch was interviewed atthe Matheson Museum in Gainesville, Florida. Stan: Oh, yeah. Great rock'n'roll is not usually made by democracy - that's the truth. I didnt need to be that way. The presence of a Beatle is a thick presence. It's funny, you know, working in a band is a chop; it's just another chop. So it's like, my life feels more cartoonish to me than dour and dark. 82.4 KB Views: 214. There was a lot of things that were not said that should have been said, he says. You haven't taken it too seriously.Oh, no! A totally different sound, yet completely him., Zanes enrolled in Loyola and spent the next twelve years in universities, eventually getting a Ph.D. from Rochester University in Cultural Studies. I watched really depressing people get more depressed. There are things I could have handled better, specifically with Mike. That may be. By submitting, you agree to receive communications (emails & texts) from Modern Drummer. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. I imagine it's him saying, "You know, I'm only gonna put the best shit on my songI don't want one of these to die; they're hard to come by.". Just think of Breakdowns slinky pulse, the graceful fills that usher in the heavenly chorus in Here Comes My Girl, or the swamp-funk groove of his 1993 Heartbreakers swan song Mary Janes Last Dance.. Great attitude, he knows how funny this shit is, he knows it's all Spinal Tap. Yet, you've actually taken better care of yourself and remained healthier mentally and physically than many of your contemporaries.For me it was always - I really wanted to live! I was very grateful. I could have been more applied as an artist earlier, you know, I could have made more of a statement for myself. What do you think are the biggest pitfalls on the road to success, and after you become successful?The biggest pitfalls on the way to success: disillusionment and panic when you're so close. Personally I prefer Stan's style, but Ferrone is excellent in his own right, and I agree Wildflowers was a big peak for Petty. There was a lot of miscommunication and a lot of immature shit going down. I knew that there was the capacity within that group to push boundaries, he says. I was still young and I didnt really understand what he meant by groove and feel. I remember asking Denny, What does that mean, can you quantify that? We never even tried one of my songs., When the tour ended, Zanes left the band and went back to New England, drifted around, and ended up in New Orleans, where he became a bike mechanic. Ad Choices. But it got untenable. Pettys got a very strong voice, of course, but I needed the foil. Jimmy Iovine is known to have obsessed over the drum sound in Pettys 1979 album Damn the Torpedos, which Iovine produced, and Lynch became the object of his frustration. But you know, no matter how much shit I give any of those guys or they can give me, there were some great lessons learned in how to grow up with people. They were very bright men. You first encounter Petty as a fan and then, youre in this rock band, the Del Fuegos, and opening up for these guys. It's usually somebody that has the seed of an idea that he's gonna protect. [laughter] And the trick is to stay out of your own way, and to stay out of everybody else's way. And I interpret that in any way I can: that means spiritually, financially, they know the rudiments, they know their scalesthey've done their homework! I mean I'd say thatjoy and curiosity have overwhelmed stagnation and bitterness. Lets get back to the ground rules for this book. So the core values are that I'm really comfortable with it, and I always was. It's two immovable objects that hit each other at 100 miles an hour, what is gonna happen? It's really nothing to have a record deal now, it doesn't mean anything. He is from OH. I cant tell you whats in it or not in it. Heres what hes acknowledging: That a warts-and-all portrait doesnt throw you into the gutter. And drummers tend to be, the big loud rock drummers tend to be that way in personality. So Denny, in that perfect English accent, he blows a big cloud of smoke and says, Stan, if you leave all that shit behind and just play the groove, theyll always misinterpret you as tasteful. That was brilliant. I didnt even speak to him at the Hall of Fame, says Lynch. Petty spent the downtime recording his solo album Wildflowers with producer Rick Rubin and every member of the Heartbreakers besides Stan Lynch, a decision that did not sit well with the drummer. The Del Fuegos were originally an Oberlin band that Dan Zanes, Warrens older brother, started with some college friends; Warren joined after Andover. Percussion group Recycled Percussion has a unique, In the early hours of Friday, January 13, Dave had his, LA Weekly just released an article detailing Gadd and, 2 sold-out Twin Cities shows have been called off, Jazz and fusion drummer Alphonse Mouzon died on Sunday. Blank Space: What Kind of Genius Is Max Martin? Lynchs portion of the tour was slated to kick off April 23 in Boulder, Colorado, so he had plenty of time to prepare. By virtue of his band staying together and the quality of the musicians, the Heartbreakers are a singular story in popular music. He's like, cool looking, great bass playing, beautiful soul nothing burned him! If a band leader had any energy left over to encourage others, they could, and it's good to include people. We got beyond it. In what ways do you think that the business is easier, and in what ways do you think it's harder for artists starting out now than it was when you started?Well it's easier because it's an accepted form of livelihood. And he did it very respectfully. We hit a really sweet harmony, says Campbell. They held on trying to keep that band together. Petty gave him complete editorial freedom, and told him that he could interview whomever he liked, because thats how Tom Petty does things. Pettys only condition was that he get to read the completed manuscript and be given the opportunity to respond to anything he felt needed it. And it reverberated for years, some people never got over it. Opt out through the unsubscribe link in any marketing email. Drummer Talk 272 State of the Union (So What IS Up? www.moderndrummer.com "You're never fired, you're just not asked to do the next thing". Now which one is it? Call somebody you respect. But I don't know if you've jumped through enough hoops and had enough discipline to make a record worth listening to unless you are Jimi Hendrix. Margo Price Opens Up Like Never Before: It Feels Freeing I felt like, perhaps, Id made all the noise I could. I mean, some guys bat .310 one year and then the next year they bat .145. But they're in it for a different ride. I favor Petty. First off, they won't remember, so you've wasted time. I would sayyou have a lot of energy, young man! We have the same musical pulse we always had, says Campbell. But it's wonderful to be in a band, if I have to leave somebody with a thought: it's wonderful to be in a band, even if it's just for a short period of time. Lynch contributed to the bands first eight albums, and he served as the bands original drummer for two decades until he decided to leave in 1994. Your contract. What is important is your musical contribution, and to do your job. He couldnt go from music into politics, and Bruce Springsteen could. 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I had a kit in my house, and I had to take it away. But I really had to let go of it or else I would walk around constantly trying to tell people who I used to be. Lets do some more. That time Tom Petty kindly asked Michele Bachmann to stop using his song in her campaign. "Oh! [laughs] And it's really nice when you hear somebody in the room, even if you're not sure whether they're better than you or worse than you, but it's something you wouldn't do! I have regrets. We know him as a vital member of the classic Heartbreakers lineup. It comes up in weird ways. Thats how, in a very roundabout way, Warren Zanes, a deputy professor at New York University, came to write Petty: The Biography, a new book about one of rocks most enigmatic figures, and his band, the Heartbreakers. [laughter]. I tried being late to rehearsals like everybody elseI tried to act disinterestedbut it all backfired on me! [laughs], But I'll bet you're glad you stayed that way.I think it's the only wayto thine own self be true [laughs]. And so when they became, quote, rock stars they thought they were better than other people. Stan: Tom had basically told me I wasnt the right drummer for him anymore. He referred to my old band as the Del Tacos. The old, art commerce divide where people go, oh, its too commercial. The other thing, I was just talking to somebody who was watching a live Tom Petty concert on a computer, no between-song banter. Id drive up; gate opens. If you're in it for the journey, if what you're making isn't selling, I don't know if that means that you are doing anything wrong; it just means that at this moment in time, your best work, the music that you most want to make, isn't being received by the widest possible audience. It was the greatest thrill of my life, Zanes said. If I look up and see Mike Campbells butt in front of my drum kit, its kind of like Im home., Opening night in Boulder was heavy on material from the two Dirty Knobs albums, but they also dipped into the Heartbreakers catalog with songs like Refugee, Runnin Down a Dream, Southern Accents, and You Wreck Me. As the days went by, they started sprinkling in additional oldies like Listen to Her Heart, When the Time Comes, and Casa Dega., Im still learning to be a singer, says Campbell. Lynch isn't looking for the spotlight anymore, though, according to his interview last week. No, I don't sign autographs," that kind of shit. But the last time I tried, I dont know if he was in a better spot, I reduced it to, Stan, I will fly down there, rent a car, come to your door for 20 minutes. I think I have some Tom nuances in my voice. Guitar Saved Me!: Jeff Beck Looks Back in Never-Before-Heard Interview Audio When hes telling the story about how his father beat the shit out of him at age five, its hard not to feel something., I cant pretend to know everything that was going through his mind in telling me these things, Zanes added. But if its all of us without Tom, theres this big hole in the room. And George Harrison looks at me and says, Its Brian Jones, back from the dead. Of course, George knows enough what a man who wants an autograph looks like. It was still like.this is incredible, I don't want to die here, this is great! One day, Pettys manager, Tony Dimitriades, called Zanes out of the blue and said that Tom had read Dusty in Memphis and wanted to have dinner the next time Warren was in L.A. For Zanes, who had a new baby at home in Cleveland, It was all I could do not to leave right then. When they did meet, Petty said that the Dusty book had inspired a song, and that he wanted Zanes to come to his house to hear it. When you've worked with bands like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Nicks and the Eagles, it's not a strange thing to be interviewed. I've been extremely curious about what's gonna happen if? Drummer, producer and songwriter Stan Lynch's career reads like a rock'n'roll fairy tale: from 1975 to 1994, as a founding member of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Lynch toured around the world, enjoyed a string of hit records, and gained high acclaim as a drummer's drummer among his peers. His feel somehow combines the loose gallop of great classic rock'n'roll with the unrelenting tension of barely contained energy. Andrew Witmer And they don't! The original four Breakers are all upright as far as I know, he says. Any book about the fifty-two-year-old Lynch would surely be an entertaining, fairly hilarious read. ), Looking back at that intense time all these years later, Lynch says he wishes hed handled the situation a bit differently. A fun chat with my old friend and original drummer with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, the great Stan Lynch. And I watched really excited people get more excited, and it was just a big amplifier. I said, How do you digest two albums worth of material? They went, Thats Wednesday for me. Bissonette was going, You chart them out. ', When he heard about Pettys death in 2017, Lynch says he was shocked, but not completely surprised. If anyone is going to think heroin is an option because they know my story of using heroin, I cant do this. And I just had to work with him and say, I think youre going to come off as a cautionary tale rather than a romantic tale. But I wanted to show that Tom Petty is a man who lived the bulk of his life in the album cycle. That's how I see it now. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. I reintroduced myself. He remembered me from the tours. . Family of Tom Petty Partners With Gun Safety Group for Voting Ad, One night, they started warming up backstage by singing Stories We Could Tell, an obscure John Sebastianpenned song that Petty and the Heartbreakers often played in their early days. He was pissed, Petty told writer Paul Zollo. The other obvious question. Thats kind of the Heartbreakers code. Stan had never heard me sing before, and he was the main harmony singer with Tom. Here are a couple of albums Stan has worked on that are worth checking out: Barry Sides "Broken Hearts Broken Strings", Dixie Desperados , Drew Copeland and Gregg McMillan's first solo album. There are a lot of producers and labels that actually do that.I'm sure they do! But it hasn't taken over your soul.No, no. having this conversation," he said in a 2003 interview with Newsweek. But Saturday night in Boulder, Colorado, he was right back where he should be - backing up Mike Campbell and playing Tom Petty songs. Is it better to take time off, or work through it until it comes back, or?Call a friend. Print Profile Email Profile View Stanford-only Profile Tab Menu . We grew up loving Tom Petty more than his contemporaries. Even in the second grade, it was like, the nice way of putting it on the report card: "He seems to be a leader!" University - Staff Department: Chemistry Position: Science & Engineering Assoc (650) 725-0245 (office) Additional Info . But I think he did because hes had his own experiences with books that portray his heroes as humans. And I wonder if you have any idea what the core values are that have helped you to stay sane, and also to grow as a person as you've gotten older and avoid becoming stagnant or bitter.Well I have those days.stagnant and bitter, that would describe several weeks of the year. I interviewed Stan for Vintage Drums Magazine (a now defunct British publication) in 2018 and we got deep into his gear for Damn The Torpedoes. If you know right from wrong, you speak up. Other guys in the band were going like [growling], "Nobody lets me sleep anymore. Which is great, I mean, that means you certainly don't have to compromise! Not all artists understand that. Now all those fans have got good reason to celebrate. Now, what records should I produce that will sell to them?" 6,156. They were the best and brightest at the game for a minute there, and I was in very rarified air and extremely good company for a moment there. That happens when the pain becomes too much and you live in a world, in a culture, where people have reached in the direction of heroin to stop the pain. I think hunger makes the best sauce, and I think that fortune, money and all that shit that comes along with it can really.working too close to your comfort zone is not necessarily great art. I had to forget all that. Stan said no to the interview between three and four times. But sometimes it's tough; it's not a democracy. And it hasn't taken me very seriously. Tom Petty has had too many hits for some critics to be fully comfortable with him. He said, I want it to be yours. What do you do in that situation?I think the real question then would be: what are you in it for? It never felt that strange. It wasn't that I was gonna be a professor or a model or a car driver or a brilliant architect. Most people collaborate, and sometimes I've been in collaborations where the person is basically just using me as a sounding board, and that's all that's required. Because theyre so good. The musician revealed that he wishes he had handled the situation in the band in a more proper way regarding his departure. I was feeling very insecure about them. It's not a weenie thing to do at all. Ask Amy: Im still hurt by what my daughters did after their sisters death, Carolyn Hax: Embarrassing son is back home after losing his job, Carolyn Hax: Teen turns against mom after his dads death. So I think that a lot of people made their best work when they were hungry 'cause they had to. The guy's a fucking hardcore, he lives and eats it, he's destined to be who he is! 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He could have handled things better, and his mistakes were mainly related to miscommunication and immaturity. Stan Lynch Heartbreaking Rhythm. We both started smiling at one point and went, We got something here. Tons of them. In addition to academic papers on rock, he wrote the 33 and 1/3 book on Dusty Springfields album Dusty in Memphis. Around 2000, he stopped listening to new musicexcept for Tom Petty. And yelling and protesting. I mean, somebody dies, or somebody hates itto get a run, a creative run, is amazing, period. Because every night I went out and watched Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. I first met you around 1978, and the thing that's really struck me is that basically you've remained the same person all that time. Great guy! Now what? Stan Lynch - Modern Drummer Magazine Features Stan Lynch It's been thirty years since he recorded with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. I didn't know that there were good and bad ways to make it. So that guy who is hellbent on keeping things together, because that is who he is, keeps his band together. ', But when he went to speak, he found himself tentatively agreeing to the plan. I don't think I have ever watched a drummer being interviewed that was so relatable. And I couldnt wait for it to end, he said, sipping his coffee. But I havent seen him again since then.. And what it basically translated to was, "Fuckin' have some fun with this, wouldya?". Stan Lynch Since 1977, the world's most widely read drum magazine: in print, online, and the Modern Drummer app. But other people will drag things out of you and it's beautiful if you let it happen. I grabbed him and told him what I needed to tell him. John needs Paul. Among the acts that Tom Petty took with him on the tour for his 1987 album, Let Me Up (Ive Had Enough), was the Del Fuegos, a Boston-based roots-rock band with ties to the New York hardcore scene. He was the original drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for 18 years until his departure in 1994. I promise you.. You know, I probably squandered a lot of good time. And I want to contribute whatever they'll let me contribute, and I want to learn what they'll let me learn. Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Just listened to an interview with Jimmy Iovine on the Howard Stern Show last year. It's like, for me, "Thank God Tom sold a lot of records 'cause now I can enjoy making music!". And with that, there can be the ultimate cost. They Took a Third Date to Costa Rica. God bless 'em! The drummer realized after some point that he didnt want to be in the band anymore due to the personal and musical differences he had with Tom Petty. It was really my only ticket to ride, that was it. Stan Lynch. In retrospect, I look back at that scene, in that office, and I think that maybe its the happiest Ive seen Tom Petty by looking at his face. Pick up the May 2008 issue of Modern Drummer at music stores, book stores, and newsstands everywhere! The other guys might have had a little more expectation, so there was more disappointment for them. He had signed with Zildjian by the time of this MD interview, but he used Paiste 2002s on Damn The Torpedoes. Stan was the lone extrovert in this band of introverts. I've always been that guy, you know like the Roadrunner cartoon, like "What if I go ahead and blow this up, what'll happen?" Stephen Lynch Science & Engineering Assoc, Chemistry. I just learn from them., Campbell feels the same way. And if you need me to explain it to you any better than that, I will. Sometimes I would hear stuff and it was just so sad. . It's like, Mick needs Keith. So I think making it tougher to have a record deal and not letting everyone in the club, actually helped. Very few go forever, you know. If I ran a record label, probably one of the first things I'd do is drop half the roster. How bizarre! It's inside your navel, man. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Heartbreakers Howie Epstein was cut loose because of his heroin addiction. When original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch was let go from the group in 1995 or "excommunicated," to use his own term he started a new chapter of his life in Florida as. This is a great joke I heard somebody say to me: it was somebody who's very successful who was producing records for somebody who was lesser knowna record that was probably never gonna sell, but it was a cool record. At the end of the process, as was their agreement, Zanes sent Petty the book, and then flew out to California to hear his judgment in person. Is there an example of Stan Lynch being behind the beat on a Tom Petty song? It's either the only thing wrong with that band is you're in it, or the only thing wrong with that band is that he's fucked up. 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