I have one that's more elaborate than that. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Thank you. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. This animal, IMHO, was probably live caught as an adult from the wild and brought to the . Part II. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Peter Biello: Yeah. Well thanks for sharing. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. So take care of this problem. You saw what you saw. You're on the air. For evidence of a free-roaming, wild and native mountain lion, we must look back to 1874. I'll send it to you. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Have a photo. It's bigger but bigger and better world. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. You know interactions are pretty unusual. Is that typically what was happening there. Caller: I do. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Caller: Hi. New York on Easter Sunday. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. It was determined that Mountain Lion came from the Dakotas across the Northern part of our country . Part II. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. New Hampshire Public Radio | Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Let's look for other evidence. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Oh you saw him online. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. In Vermont, it was 1881. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Peter Biello: Hmm. I tracked cats and all the western states. Share. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. lewis structure for ch2cl. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. Kansas officials think a mountain lion recently roamed through Shawnee County. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. You don't know what's going on. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. No doubt in my mind it was. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. (Credit: Buddy Wilkerson via Storyful) . Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Your support makes this news available to everyone. The report came in from a conservation officer. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. The last Massachusetts Mountain Lion was killedaround 1858. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Good morning guys. Thanks for taking my call. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. It was not a bobcat. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Early in the morning. . Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Peter Biello: Well yeah. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. The cougar is also commonly known as mountain lion, puma, mountain cat, catamount, or panther. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. It's you know I recognized their report and. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. SYCAMORE, Ill. (AP) A mountain lion that was struck and killed last weekend along a northern Illinois highway will be analyzed by biologists seeking to uncover the rare animal's origins, state . Yeah I did. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. John is calling from Bennington. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. And they were using all the habitat. If so that's for us as an agency. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. Tim Yeah. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. This is a list of known or suspected fatal cougar attacks that occurred in North America by decade in chronological order. A middle school in Manchester, New Hampshire has sent out an alert after a mountain lion was spotted. Does not test random Scouts. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. In Vermont, it was 1881. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Have it reported down in the Keene area. 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