The third assumption is that a projectile with appropriate terminal ballistics is being used, which for hunting usually means an expanding bullet. The 7mm Rem. For this reason, I can certainly understand why somebody would want to hunt with a 6.5 PRC, especially if that person didn't . If for a brief fraction of a second everything is lined up and you in that instant know you got it, take the shot. In essence, good elk cartridges drive tough, heavy bullets of healthy diameter, and drive em fast. as with all other cartridges, and in every case its been outstanding. One of my hunting buddies has a 6.5Creedmoor and was telling me on a mule deer hunt how much better it was than my chambering, going to take it elk hunting as well. ABLR, AB, BERGER, EDLX all will work. The 264win is a good caliber choice. unseated the .264 Winchester Magnum rather quickly, becoming the darling of Western hunters. We never have enough guns! Hunting is supposed to be fun and if that is your idea of fun, you could probably have even more of it with a .378 Weatherby. For example, most of the all-copper expanding bullets need something like 1,900 0r 2,000 fps to expand even a little. That is to say, we assume the elk being harvested is shot directly or nearly directly in the vitals (heart and/or lungs). Re: 264 Win Mag for elk. At magnum velocities, the soft bullets tended to fragment and fail to penetrate adequately. You might have a superhuman ability to place accurate shots under heavy recoil. But, credit where credit is due, its a great elk cartridge. The standard (.30-06) length .264 Winchester Belted Magnum has always been considered overbore and a barrel burner and the recent (2014) .26 Nosler, based on a Remington Ultra Mag case shortened to .30-06 length and necked-down, has greater case capacity (approximately 96 grains of water) than the .264. Nosler decided to start loading its own headstamped ammo, and its first offering was the successful 26 Nosler, itself a screamer of a cartridge. You might want to consider taking a second rifle as a backup. Mag. Yet - aside from a small group of followers of cult-like loyalty - it has never gained the affection of the American hunter. Would I do it again..? Today, the 7mm Rem. Follow up on this. 300 WIN MAG ammo; 243 Winchester Ammo; 7mm-08 Ammo; 6mm CREEDMOOR Ammo; 38 Special Ammo; 22-250 Remington; 5.7X28 AMMO; . 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. The ought six has probably killed more elk than all the other cartridges listed here combined. You are using an out of date browser. Kinda like the 243 and 85gr bullet I've used for antlerless deer hunts quite a bit. But dont try to punch a raking shot through a bulls hipit doesnt have the juice for that. If you want fast .30-caliber authority coupled with compact-rifle ergonomics, this is your poison. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Dec 11, 2016 Banned #5 G GKPrice Banned Joined Sep 27, 2014 Messages 2,442 Location Western Oregon awaldro7 said: My personal opinion is the 6.5 because of bullet selection and also the ability to load heavier bullets. It's a tad slower than the .264 Win. Which one, only your rifle will tell you. because the latter rolls out those wide, .338-inch diameter 250-grain bullets. Mag. True. handload betters even the 7mm Rem. The Bigger Question is, whats YOUR maximum? Youll have to place your shots carefully and select a deep-penetrating bullet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Pick a Marlin M1895 or a Winchester Model 1886 and hunt happy in the knowledge that youve got bull-thumping wallop in every thumb-sized cartridge. But with this 156 load at elk hunting elevation here in Wyoming, it retains 1500 ft-lbs out to 1175+ yards, and the elk we have taken in the lase several years have ranged from the closest at 500 yds, to the farthest at 910 yds. What is the average muzzle energy for a .264 Winchester Magnum? But, you dont want to get too close to that minimum expansion velocity. Description. The .264 Win. 3-groove barrels are reputed to last a little longer than barrels with more grooves. Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles 264 win mag vs 7mm rem mag?? Serious elk, moose, kudu hammer. Not all bullets are Max-Range bullets. It almost equals the .300 Ultra Mag, and does it with a whole lot less gunpowder. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. C$55.00. The .264 Win will do fine. UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? It generates velocities identical to the venerable .264 Win. He handed me a hand full of shells he's been hunting with. In addition to expanding reliably, a bullet must carry sufficient energy to take down the animal. Minimum sucks. If you hunt massive-bodied Roosevelt bulls in the rain forests of the Northwest, or pine clad ridges and canyon bottoms anyplace where 200 yards is a long shot, this is a prime cartridge. when I was a kid and poor I always wanted a 264 win. Carried 160 Woodleigh PP over H1000. Mag. With these numbers, the 264 Winchester Magnum was the immediate long-range, high-velocity, flat-trajectory answer to the western hunter's prayers. Mag. My Winchester Model 70 Sporter pushes it to 3,021 fps from a 26-inch tube (I chronographed it in 20-degree temps, and it would have been higher on a warmer day). For example, having 1,500 ft-lbs of energy to kill a bull elk is a decent barometer, but elk have also been killed with far less energy when excellent shot placement and good bullet construction are in play. Naar mijn weten mag dit niet. overflow: hidden; Nosler 160-grain AccuBond 7mm Remington Magnum SEE IT Specs: Bullet Weight: 175 grs. Nomo, all of those powders you listed will work. | That's faster than a 130-grain projectile out of the .270 Winchester, giving .264 Win. Every effective range calculation will, by its nature, be only a broad approximation. You may be able to use a heavier bullet and achieve more energy or a longer range with more velocity.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,600],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_5',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Since were talking about max distances, Id like to clarify something here. (Of course, it costs more, too.) Only recovered bits and pieces of the bullet, no exit hole. I'm sure it will be OK as long as you stay within its limitations. Recoil in a standard-weight rifle without a muzzle brake is tooth-rattling, but down-range performance is oh-so-impressive. Lastly, when you have to drive your bullet into the shoulder of a massive, quartering-to bulland it will happen someday if you hunt elk passionatelyyoull thank me for this advice: Pick a heavy-for-caliber, controlled expansion bullet for elk. i would love to to take advantage of some texas hospitality. Mag. Partitions, AccuBond or Barnes, all good bullets. The 264 mag with one of the ultra slow powders will drive the Barnes 120gr TSX at 3450 to 3500fps from a 26" Bbl. Disclaimer: the information above is purely for illustrative purposes and should not be taken as permission to use a particular caliber, a statement of the legality or safety of using certain calibers, or legal advice in any way. Excl. load drops only 29 inches at 500 yards and 109 inches at 800. Make sure to watch till the end. T. tw264 OP. The 7mm Remington Magnum will send a 160-grain bulleta good all-around choice for nearly all North American gameat 3000 fps. Mature bulls have heavy bones, dense muscle, and loads of resilience from years of shrugging off battle wounds. Of course, a good handload in the 7mm would close the gap and certainly surpass the 6.5mm projectile in energy, but the comparison shows just how good the .264 is. Much like the .30-06, the .270 Winchester is an all-around workhorse. Its plenty gun for elk. Are You blued steel, 1 inch & fine wood or are you Kevlar, carbon, stainless, 30-34mm?. The 142 accubond LR will be a nice addition but I doubt the bc is that high. Is this round (bullet) sufficient for Elk? Over 30 ft-lbs - Massive recoil that can be difficult for even seasoned shooters to shoot accurately. This is a grand-old cartridge based on the .308 Winchester, but it is loaded with a .358-caliber bullet. and 6.5 PRC, but the 6.5-.284 Norma still provides significantly more velocity than the 6.5 Creedmoor. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Mag. Over 25 ft-lbs - In a lightweight rifle, even experienced shooters can struggle to shoot more than 15 rounds without pain or developing a flinch, UNLESS a muzzle brake, suppressor, or heavier rifle is used. Looking back, I probably should have asked my dad if I could borrow his 300 ultra mag. I would not hesitate at all to use that bullet on a broadside elk. mag well now I have 2 both in pre-64 model 70 Winchesters ! If you have another rifle ---- .30-06 or hotter, use that instead. Mag. My preference is a 20" barreled .308 win with 165 grain pills. While this does protect the bullet from deformation during recoil and during travel up the feedramp and into the chamber, its more important function is to limit potentially explosive expansion (as a result of high velocity) upon impact. Built into a titanium short action with a 20-inch Proof Research carbon fiber barrel and a McMillan Edge stock, it will weigh under six. The Grendel is too weak for most big game hunters. Mag. font-size: 18px; Yeah, your post is vindicated. If dinosaurs once again roam the Earth, there might in fact be a real need for this cartridge. The three sometimes neglected variables are the human factor, the weather factor, and the fact that you are shooting at a wild animal, not a stationary target. It requires a true magnum-length action, and is hard on barrels. Mag. Never ever shoot more than two shots with out a cool down. Campfire Ranger. So what, The OP was obviously interested enough. 300 Win. Plus, ammo is available in just about every sporting goods shop across the West. Each knife handle is wrapped with 7 feet of paracord, giving you a total of 21 feet, prefect for those unexpected situations. Our mission is to educate and entertain along the lines of bowhunting and rifle hunting to provide sportsmen with the most up-to-date tactics, hunting gear and hunting area research for both archery hunting and rifle hunting in the West. As with anything, the devil is in the details. Mag., the .338 Win. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. I'd look elsewhere IMHO, but you could buy it and then keep looking. Dropping a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. Partition Bullet RMEF Team Elk Ad 1 Nosler Engineering Die Dual-Core-Speziallegierung von Nosler aus speziellem Blei bietet hervorragende Pilzeigenschaften bei praktisch allen Aufprallgeschwindigkeiten. The .264 Winchester Magnum is a 6.5mm cartridge that was ahead of its time when created in 1958. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. For deer, sheep, antelope I think it would be a sweet rifle-little argument there-however heard mixed info on its adequacy for elk inside of 500 yards. Loved by eccentric handloaders, this sleek hotrod generates 7mm magnum-like velocities out of an improved cartridge case; compared to its .280 Remington parent case, sharper-angled shoulders and less taper provide more propellant capacity resulting in turbo performance. If your .264 has a 1-8 twist or faster, load the Berger 156gr EOL bullets. Again, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk - and to this question, the response again is yes, the .264 Winchester Magnum is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting. For elk, pick a really tough bullet and if possible, pick broadside shots. Mag. Posts: 28,277. We show you how. Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. The .264 is s great all-around for most big game animals in North America. While it can be shoehorned into some short-action rifle models, it's at its best in long actions where bullets can be handloaded long so bases don't intrude into the powder reservoir. } I have a box of Winchester .264 mag cartridges sitting on my bench. The Winchester M70 Extreme Weather chambered for the 264 Win.Mag has a 9" twist. The primary difference between the 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 Creedmoor is the rifles they were designed for. Try one your self & understand. At my home elevation of 5,000 feet, calculated with a temperature of 50 degrees and 50 percent humidity, with all loads zeroed at 200 yards, we get the following ballistic projections: The .264 Win. Short awnser is YES. Just as importantly, it delivers plenty of punch on far-distant impacts. Practical distance isnt the same as the max distance a rifle can shoot. Is the .264 Winchester Magnum a viable caliber/load/round/cartridge for elk hunting? Zero333 Aug 12, 2020 #12 Laguna Freak said: Attacking the 264 shows just how much popularity it is gaining. The 264 win mag has sufficent power for elk but am not familiar with the hunting properties of the Berger bullets. Of course, any custom riflesmith worth his salt can build a rifle in .264. Beyond that distance, it doesnt carry the steam of the faster cartridges listed here. Fine options include the old .264 Win. Mag. For pure downrange performance, Nosler's 130-grain AccuBond load banishes both of the above in disgrace. I guess I should have worded my post better. I also shot a Leopard and a Mid Asian Ibex with it. I know there are better bigger options but this is my rifle I am most familiar with. In researching this story, I determined the muzzle energy data by choosing the most useful elk bullet weight for each specific cartridge, and then plugging it into JBMballistics.com along with an average of common factory-ammo muzzle velocities with that bullet weight. Know how well you shoot in different conditions and trust your skills. There is also a metric shit ton of bullets that didnt exist long ago that could make this one hell of a hunting round. Although its new on the block, this cartridge is the best-engineered hunting 7mm available. Please opine on this for me guys as I have always been a 30 cal slut. The cartridge and rifle enjoyed immediate success and everyone was happy until Remington unleashed its 7mm Rem. I'd hunt that rifle. .tg .tg-sklq { That performance level is my personal minimum on elk. Today, many outstanding component bullets and suitable propellants are available for loading the .264 Win. Lead-Alloy Core Engineered for balanced expansion. Every indication is last years 129 gr held up to its stated bc. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. That means a considerable amount of the game was taken with "1" shot. border-color: black; Distance Bullet Carries Less Than 1,500 ft-lbs of Energy - This standard is used for elk-sized game such as kudu, moose, a waterbuck, a young eland, etc. The question is, are detached retinas worth it? Mag., .30-06, and its other sibling cartridges, and it does so with less recoil. Finally started stretching it out this past weekend 10" steel at 1100 yds 6.8 mils of elevation. Also no scope, open sights only. DRT. Features and Specifications: Manufacturer Number: 80633. For this experiment, well look at three common ways to determine effectiveness. It wouldnt be my first choice, but, with good bullets..a solid performer! vertical-align: top border-spacing: 0; Pushing heavy bullets at well over 3,000 fps, it hits elk like a freight train. Hornady 180-grain GMX and 200-grain ELD-X. Those loads use very aerodynamic bullets that retain lots of kinetic energy and deliver excellent extended range performance on deer and elk-sized game. Yes, it lacks one of the three virtues vital to great elk cartridges. Early on, the 7mm Rem. The 26 Nosler probably will kill the 264 if the 6.5 - 300 Weatherby doesn't Mac Having said that, it will not be my first choice. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Maintained energy at each range is 1,813 ft-lbs and 1,319 ft-lbs respectively. They'd rather see a hunter show up in camp with a .270 he can shoot lights out than a large belted magnum he can't. Shot placement is much easier for a hunting weight rifle 8-91/2 lbs in .264 WinMag than a .3xx Rumchester Mag for the vast majority of us hunters. Just like the title says is it a good choice. The rest of the world has know about the ability of the 6.5 for over a century while the US hunter is just recently understanding it's capability. Originally Posted by RED53. In the question of Is the .264 Winchester Magnum within the ideal range of suitable calibers for elk hunting? our answer is: Lets look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. For that, the Bergers are perfect. font-weight: bold; That is a good elk rifle. Remington's 7mm Mag. Also around 30 Mule Deer, It kills them dead!!! Featuring a belt-free, standard-length case with a shoulder sharp enough to provide ultimate capacity and internal efficiency, yet not too steep for slick feeding, it outperforms even the .300 Weatherby Magnumand fits in standard-size bolt actions. Its so common that it may seem a bit boring, but this is probably the most versatile elk cartridge availableso long as you choose the right bullet. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Add to cart. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. It still will shoot under an inch. I was taught as long as they're standing, put another round in. What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a elk in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. Elk Size Game: Such As, Caribou, Black Bear, Sheep, And Elk. Its all highly situational, but it matters. May use it this fall again. If thats the camp you hunt from, have at it, but understand that with the .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, every time you pull the trigger you will get smacked with about 45 foot-pounds of recoil. No other elk cartridge offers the combination of style and performance like the .300 Weatherby does. Isnt it smart to have a buffer and not go to the utmost maximum? First shot passed completely through both shoulders and exited leaving a hole about the size of a half dollar. Another good choice is the 140gr Berger hybrids. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Bought my first 264 , a Rem 700 in 1964. Winchester advertised the .264 Winchester Magnum (note the Imperial bore measurement) as driving a 140-grain spitzer bullet at a muzzle velocity of 3200 fps; this gives quite the flat trajectory and will handle almost all North American big-game animals, though I'd certainly want more bullet weight for the big bears, bison and even Alaskan moose. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. AJ. Mag and the .458 Win. .tg { color: #ffffff; As far as I'm aware, only Winchester Repeating Arms and Shaw Precision Guns (a division of E.R. Loaded with a 130gr Spitzer AccuBond Bullet and Nosler Premium Brass. Thats when little things cause failures. Its the finest all-around cartridge available for youth, women, and new shooters. was an extraordinary cartridge. At the moment of truth, if you arent sure you will make a good shot, dont squeeze the trigger. Leave the .338 Lapua etc. The .378 will kill an elk but not any deader than 6.5 Creedmoor. With that said, we have assumed the average hunting distance for elk to be approximately 200 yards. load drops 35 inches at 500 yards and 132 at 800. The 270 Winchester, 270 WSM, 7WSM and 7mm Rem. The .264 Winchester Magnum showed up 62 years ago, and the .260 Remington is a quarter-century old. Learn more . In purely practical terms, no elk cartridge equals the beautifully balanced .300 Win. Any of the good 140 gr and up bullets will do just fine. A tough deep penetrating bullet properly placed will always bring an elk down. mag . text-align: center That can easily make my practical distance come down to 250-yards. Shot him thru the neck at 175 years and down he went. My load is 65 grains of Imr7828 Winchester brass and federal 215M primers. Heart and lungs were mush. Introduced in 1959, the .264 Winchester Magnum (center) outperforms the ever-popular .270 Winchester (left) with ease, but it was overshadowed by the 7mm Remington Magnum (right) that was introduced three years later. I think he is shooting a 140 Berger, but not totally sure on that. Mag. Be intentional and smart with each shot. Alas, Remington and its new-in-1962 7mm Remington Magnum dealt a resounding deathblow to the .264 Win. Maintained energy is 1,703 ft-lbs at 500 yards and 1,156 at 800. Just curious, are you loading the 156's anywhere near or over the max load? Shot my cow Friday with the .264. I shot the Leopard with 140 Partitions but the 120 Barns TTSX is my go to bullet. has been called the ultimate elk cartridge. The average 130-grain .277-diameter bullet struggles to achieve a BC of much more than 0.450, while even a moderately aerodynamic 140-grain .264 bullet approaches 0.500, and a streamlined one, such as Berger's 140-grain Hunting VLD, offers an astonishing 0.612. border-color: #656565; All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Behind the Bullet: .264 Winchester Magnum. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Shot placement is the key. Just use a bullet that holds together and will dig deep with the .264 and enjoy the hunt. The shot was just behind the front leg. Mag. If you load it has some mighty good new bullets we didn't have back then. First, the average bullet weight is encapsulated in the average muzzle energy for the .264 Winchester Magnum. I once bought a 25-06 off a guy who told me that the caliber was too light for whitetail. But wait, theres more. 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